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		<title>Comment on This is Bad. by padraic2112</title>
		<link>http://padraic2112.wordpress.com/2009/11/05/this-is-bad/#comment-2071</link>
		<dc:creator>padraic2112</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, but the problem with this particular problem is that it&#039;s a problem quite a few IT people don&#039;t realize they have.  *Everything* depends on TLS, 80% of the people who use it don&#039;t realize what this particular problem means.  &quot;The web site is still working, what&#039;s the problem?&quot;

$10 sez within a year we hear about a major security breach or loss of data or credit card scam where somewhere in the story is the beloved phrase, &quot;A vulnerability which was patched by the OpenSSL team 8 months ago, but the company never applied the update...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but the problem with this particular problem is that it&#8217;s a problem quite a few IT people don&#8217;t realize they have.  *Everything* depends on TLS, 80% of the people who use it don&#8217;t realize what this particular problem means.  &#8220;The web site is still working, what&#8217;s the problem?&#8221;</p>
<p>$10 sez within a year we hear about a major security breach or loss of data or credit card scam where somewhere in the story is the beloved phrase, &#8220;A vulnerability which was patched by the OpenSSL team 8 months ago, but the company never applied the update&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on This is Bad. by Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat-

Just another iteration in the cycle of &quot;discover security hole -&gt; panic -&gt; patch security hole&quot;. As usual, sysadmins who are paying attention and keep up with current events will know that there is a problem and how they can fix it (or, if they are dependent on renegotiation, redesigning the site). We&#039;ll probably be dealing with this cycle forever. It&#039;s just an unfortunate cost of doing business on the internet: nothing static will survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat-</p>
<p>Just another iteration in the cycle of &#8220;discover security hole -&gt; panic -&gt; patch security hole&#8221;. As usual, sysadmins who are paying attention and keep up with current events will know that there is a problem and how they can fix it (or, if they are dependent on renegotiation, redesigning the site). We&#8217;ll probably be dealing with this cycle forever. It&#8217;s just an unfortunate cost of doing business on the internet: nothing static will survive.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Hire A Sysadmin, Part II by Josh</title>
		<link>http://padraic2112.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/how-to-hire-a-sysadmin-part-ii/#comment-2067</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked the first part better; in particular, I think that you can teach these sorts of ethical rules pretty quickly and easily, whereas teaching people how to think about system administration (the first part) is much harder. You may be willing to do it, if you&#039;re hiring a junior person that you want to indoctrinate er I mean train, but you really need to know that ahead of time. A gap in a candidate&#039;s clue about sysadmin ethics seems like much less of a problem to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked the first part better; in particular, I think that you can teach these sorts of ethical rules pretty quickly and easily, whereas teaching people how to think about system administration (the first part) is much harder. You may be willing to do it, if you&#8217;re hiring a junior person that you want to indoctrinate er I mean train, but you really need to know that ahead of time. A gap in a candidate&#8217;s clue about sysadmin ethics seems like much less of a problem to me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Theme Thursday: Mineral by padraic2112</title>
		<link>http://padraic2112.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/theme-thursday-mineral/#comment-2066</link>
		<dc:creator>padraic2112</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat &amp; Lisa -&gt;

I got that picture off of Wikipedia, and it is covered under a Creative Commons license.  Use of the picture for a personal Christmas card would be acceptable use, unless you threw it up on CafePress and made money off of it :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat &amp; Lisa -&gt;</p>
<p>I got that picture off of Wikipedia, and it is covered under a Creative Commons license.  Use of the picture for a personal Christmas card would be acceptable use, unless you threw it up on CafePress and made money off of it <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Theme Thursday: Mineral by Lisa Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May we use your image of the crab nebula for our personal Christmas card?

Yours truly ~
Pat &amp; Lisa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May we use your image of the crab nebula for our personal Christmas card?</p>
<p>Yours truly ~<br />
Pat &amp; Lisa</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Hire A Sysadmin, Part II by padraic2112</title>
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		<dc:creator>padraic2112</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, by &quot;nationally recognized&quot;, I mean &quot;people generally require membership in it to get the job&quot;.  That&#039;s certainly not the case for LOPSA (although I am a member, coinkydinkily).

And I get the argument that systems administration, like software engineering (or computer programming), or database administration, or any one of a number of IT positions doesn&#039;t have the formal infrastructure API like electricians do (or architects, who must adhere to building codes or whatnot).

At the very least, though, there should be covering categories among formal professions.  If you want to be a systems administrator for a health organization, you have access to the information doctors do, you should have the same ethical requirements a doctor does.  Same with sysadmins who work for accounting or legal professions.  This generally does exist for military/criminology work (no clearance, no job, sorry).

If you break the rules, you should be effectively disbarred from working in those areas, for the same reasons you would disbar a lawyer or revoke a doctor&#039;s license to practice... and for the same empowerment reasons those professions have: because you ought to have a formal framework (with a formal grievance process) to say to someone who asks you to do something illegal/unethical, &quot;No, I can&#039;t do that&quot;.

Not that *I* need it, but I&#039;m a stubborn cuss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, by &#8220;nationally recognized&#8221;, I mean &#8220;people generally require membership in it to get the job&#8221;.  That&#8217;s certainly not the case for LOPSA (although I am a member, coinkydinkily).</p>
<p>And I get the argument that systems administration, like software engineering (or computer programming), or database administration, or any one of a number of IT positions doesn&#8217;t have the formal infrastructure API like electricians do (or architects, who must adhere to building codes or whatnot).</p>
<p>At the very least, though, there should be covering categories among formal professions.  If you want to be a systems administrator for a health organization, you have access to the information doctors do, you should have the same ethical requirements a doctor does.  Same with sysadmins who work for accounting or legal professions.  This generally does exist for military/criminology work (no clearance, no job, sorry).</p>
<p>If you break the rules, you should be effectively disbarred from working in those areas, for the same reasons you would disbar a lawyer or revoke a doctor&#8217;s license to practice&#8230; and for the same empowerment reasons those professions have: because you ought to have a formal framework (with a formal grievance process) to say to someone who asks you to do something illegal/unethical, &#8220;No, I can&#8217;t do that&#8221;.</p>
<p>Not that *I* need it, but I&#8217;m a stubborn cuss.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Only 10%? by thesatya's status on Wednesday, 28-Oct-09 17:47:23 UTC - Identi.ca</title>
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		<dc:creator>thesatya's status on Wednesday, 28-Oct-09 17:47:23 UTC - Identi.ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on How To Hire A Sysadmin, Part II by Matt Simmons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good article. I do disagree that there is no nationally recognized professional sysadmin body. The League of Professional System Administrators (http://lopsa.org/) functions in this capacity. There is a code of ethics that each member must adhere to, and is a growing, functioning body of people devoted to advancing the profession of systems administration.

The differences between system administrators and, say, electricians, is that there is no license required to do administration work, any more than there is to be a mechanic. Sure, there are certifications that you can get in both arenas, but there&#039;s no one that says &quot;You haven&#039;t passed this test, you can&#039;t replace the belts on that car&quot;. Or set up a mail server. 

Should there be? I don&#039;t think so. There is no &quot;one infrastructure&quot; in place that must be adhered to, as there is with the national electrical grid. The closest you could come would be a network-centric certification that adheres to the rules of the internet. The only one that I know of that is network based, vendor neutral, and widely recognized is CompTIA Network+, and most of the networking professionals that I know look down on that cert. 

In the end, it is up to each organization to decide the necessary skill set required for their IT workers, and to dictate the training / certification they need their employees to have. 

When your car is broken, you can go to a national chain where all of the mechanics are ACE certified and things are done by the book. Or you can go to Bubba&#039;s tire and bait shop. Both can change your tire, but if I had to rebuild my engine, I know where I&#039;d go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good article. I do disagree that there is no nationally recognized professional sysadmin body. The League of Professional System Administrators (<a href="http://lopsa.org/" rel="nofollow">http://lopsa.org/</a>) functions in this capacity. There is a code of ethics that each member must adhere to, and is a growing, functioning body of people devoted to advancing the profession of systems administration.</p>
<p>The differences between system administrators and, say, electricians, is that there is no license required to do administration work, any more than there is to be a mechanic. Sure, there are certifications that you can get in both arenas, but there&#8217;s no one that says &#8220;You haven&#8217;t passed this test, you can&#8217;t replace the belts on that car&#8221;. Or set up a mail server. </p>
<p>Should there be? I don&#8217;t think so. There is no &#8220;one infrastructure&#8221; in place that must be adhered to, as there is with the national electrical grid. The closest you could come would be a network-centric certification that adheres to the rules of the internet. The only one that I know of that is network based, vendor neutral, and widely recognized is CompTIA Network+, and most of the networking professionals that I know look down on that cert. </p>
<p>In the end, it is up to each organization to decide the necessary skill set required for their IT workers, and to dictate the training / certification they need their employees to have. </p>
<p>When your car is broken, you can go to a national chain where all of the mechanics are ACE certified and things are done by the book. Or you can go to Bubba&#8217;s tire and bait shop. Both can change your tire, but if I had to rebuild my engine, I know where I&#8217;d go.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Costs of Doing Business by How To Hire A Sysadmin, Part II &#171; Pat&#8217;s Daily Grind</title>
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		<dc:creator>How To Hire A Sysadmin, Part II &#171; Pat&#8217;s Daily Grind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Handling data discovery, even internal to the company, is not something that a systems administrator should *ever* regard as his (or her) blanket responsibility.  They shouldn&#8217;t be monitoring general computer usage either, but that&#8217;s a subject for another post.  Oh, wait, I already wrote that one. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Handling data discovery, even internal to the company, is not something that a systems administrator should *ever* regard as his (or her) blanket responsibility.  They shouldn&#8217;t be monitoring general computer usage either, but that&#8217;s a subject for another post.  Oh, wait, I already wrote that one. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on I Think Someone Watches Too Many Movie Previews by Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe he just needed the bunker in order to house a Manhattan project geared towards developing FTL travel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe he just needed the bunker in order to house a Manhattan project geared towards developing FTL travel?</p>
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